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Rank: Avant-garde Member Joined: 9/15/2009 Posts: 799 Neurons: 830,136 Location: Ataşehir, Istanbul, Turkey | Is there any difference in significant between the two? "My family and I" "My family and me" or is "My family and me" unacceptable? |
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Rank: Avant-garde Member Joined: 9/12/2011 Posts: 35,917 Neurons: 253,722 Location: Livingston, Scotland, Britain | Hi blodybeef. Oddly (in this sentence) "my family unit and me" is correct. "My family and I" is incorrect. The simple dominion is "Remove the other people and see which is right." (My family and) I went on holiday. Could yous take a picture of (my family and) me? |
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Rank: Advanced Member Joined: seven/viii/2010 Posts: 25,993 Neurons: 105,722 | The trouble is the teaching that 'me is wrong and I is right' gets taken to center, so people use information technology as a fixed phrase regardless of its role in the sentence. And equally drago says, take that away and it is unproblematic in this case to see what it should be. But that is fine - language is messy, some phrases naturally become fixed, and English instance endings are such a niche surface area restricted to personal pronouns that information technology is no wonder they get a bit of a battering. Information technology is merely sad that some people were ever made to feel inferior or uneducated for allegedly saying the wrong thing. |
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Rank: Advanced Member Joined: 9/16/2015 Posts: 3,513 Neurons: 505,785 | Note the preposition "of". A preposition takes an object pronoun. The phrase "my family unit and I" is used when information technology is performance as the 'discipline'. |
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Rank: Advanced Member Joined: 4/17/2009 Posts: 14,069 Neurons: 730,262 Location: Glasgow, Scotland, United kingdom | thar wrote: The problem is the education that 'me is incorrect and I is right' gets taken to heart, so people utilise it as a fixed phrase regardless of its role in the sentence. And as drago says, accept that abroad and it is simple in this case to see what it should be. Only that is fine - language is messy, some phrases naturally become stock-still, and English language case endings are such a niche area restricted to personal pronouns that information technology is no wonder they become a flake of a battering. "It is but sorry that some people were e'er made to feel junior or uneducated for allegedly saying the wrong thing." And so very true, thar. In fact information technology was the 'superior' ones that were uneducated in good manners and grace. In Glasgow, when I was young, we were bullied into using our 'School English language' when speaking to 'polite adults'. We were persuaded that our Glasgow dialect was slang and scruffy, therefore nosotros were also. |
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Rank: Advanced Member Joined: nine/12/2011 Posts: 35,917 Neurons: 253,722 Location: Livingston, Scotland, United kingdom of great britain and northern ireland | jacobusmaximus wrote: In fact information technology was the 'superior' ones that were uneducated in good manners and grace. In Glasgow, when I was young, nosotros were bullied into using our 'School English' when speaking to 'polite adults'. We were persuaded that our Glasgow dialect was slang and scruffy, therefore we were too. Yer - common and vulgar! "Don't play with those Weegies - they're common!" |
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Rank: Avant-garde Member Joined: four/17/2009 Posts: 14,069 Neurons: 730,262 Location: Glasgow, Scotland, Britain | Drag0nspeaker wrote: jacobusmaximus wrote: In fact it was the 'superior' ones that were uneducated in good manners and grace. In Glasgow, when I was immature, we were bullied into using our 'Schoolhouse English' when speaking to 'polite adults'. We were persuaded that our Glasgow dialect was slang and scruffy, therefore nosotros were too. Yer - common and vulgar! "Don't play with those Weegies - they're common!" Common as muck, really. |
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Rank: Advanced Member Joined: nine/12/2011 Posts: 35,917 Neurons: 253,722 Location: Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom | jacobusmaximus wrote: Common every bit muck, actually. Only - "Where there's muck, there'south brass." |
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Rank: Avant-garde Member Joined: ix/fifteen/2009 Posts: 799 Neurons: 830,136 Location: Ataşehir, Istanbul, Turkey | Thank you all. Dear Drago , I always think simpler fashion is the best choice. Quote: The simple rule is "Remove the other people and run into which is right." (The simplest selection? Non and then much ) Dear Thar , Quote: It is just sorry that some people were ever made to feel inferior or uneducated for allegedly saying the wrong thing. I experience what you sayin'. |
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Rank: Advanced Fellow member Joined: 12/5/2014 Posts: 354 Neurons: 182,214 Location: East Montpelier, Vermont, The states | Blodybeef wrote: Is there any difference in meaning between the two? "My family unit and I" "My family unit and me" or is "My family and me" unacceptable? The apply of "I" has become a common hypergrammaticalization (the overapplication of a grammatical rule). It should be "I" only when the bailiwick of a sentence (or amanuensis of a sentence, depending how y'all learned grammar). Some people think "I" sounds more intelligent, simply that is true only if the listener doesn't know the grammar. So, it sounds like someone trying to be smarter than they really are. Or it tin sound similar the language of a child. Drag0nspeaker'due south rule is a good one. In "Me and my sis went to the zoo", since you wouldn't say "Me went to the zoo", then me and my sister didn't go to the zoo, either. |
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Rank: Avant-garde Member Joined: seven/8/2010 Posts: 25,993 Neurons: 105,722 | Ah, but what if yous did? At what point does 'everybody says it' go far a fact of the language as spoken? In that location is hypercorrection that 'my family unit and I' is always the correct matter to say, which is not true. But every bit, it does seem that English language uses its personal pronouns in a fixed phrase in a different way from single subject. The saw me. They saw me and my family unit. They saw us. I become. Me and my family unit get. /My family unit and I go We go. 'Me and my family' becomes a fixed phrase where the personal pronoun doesn't change. And that makes sense to people speaking a language where y'all don't add example endings on to every verb. It has already happened with 'who/whom'. I remember the majority of people would say Who did not come across? not Whom did you see? or Who is the picture of? non Of whom is the moving picture? I would only use 'whom' if it is immediately preceded by a preposition. Maybe the same sort of thing works here - information technology is fine so long as you lot don't disjoint it with an object pronoun with the verb. Me and my family go non My family and me go |
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Rank: Avant-garde Member Joined: ix/12/2011 Posts: 35,917 Neurons: 253,722 Location: Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom | The original promotion photo for "Me and my shadow walking down the avenue". [prototype not bachelor] Frank Sinatra and Sammy Davis Jr. |
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Rank: Newbie Joined: 5/15/2021 Posts: one Neurons: 5 Location: Chicago, Illinois, United states of america | Which one is the correct sentence and why? "my family and me are covered" or "my family unit and I are covered?" |
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Rank: Advanced Member Joined: ix/16/2015 Posts: 3,513 Neurons: 505,785 | alkojo wrote: Which one is the right judgement and why? "my family and me are covered" or "my family and I are covered?" _________________ Note the use of coordinating conjunction "and". It implies that yous tin can carve up the sentence into two sentences. If you split up the beginning sentence, yous get: - "My family is covered" (correct) and "Me is covered" (incorrect). In "me is covered", "me" is the subject of the verb "is", Its use is clearly wrong. Its correct version is " I am covered ". When you combine "My family unit is covered" and " I am covered " you go " My family and I are covered " (is + am = are) . Your second judgement is correct. |
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Rank: Advanced Fellow member Joined: 1/27/2014 Posts: 4,270 Neurons: 28,395 Location: Girona, Catalonia, Spain | Blodybeef wrote: Is there whatsoever difference in meaning between the two? "My family unit and I" "My family and me" or is "My family and me" unacceptable? Hi Blodybeef , Merely my two cents. Could you take a picture of my family and me? Substitute "my family and me" with a pronoun, in this case an object pronoun because we already take the field of study pronoun "you lot" in the question. If it fits, so y'all are using the right pronoun, and the resulting sentence uses "us": Could you take a moving-picture show of usa? It'southward imposible to use "I" in that question because then yous can't substitute information technology with "usa", tin you? The same rule works for the subject area pronoun. My family and I are going on vacation. We are going on vacation. Again if it fits, and so you are using the right pronoun. Though, let's expect for the native speakers to correct or confirm that. |
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